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Move Shoot Move User Experiences All matters relating to the Move Shoot Move Rotator - its form, its function, its benefits and flaws. The result is that you only see positive comments. Period.

The admin is not an incentivised "ambassador" for MSM, simply a keen user wishing to help others through unbiased knowledge-sharing. There is another MSM User Group page, but the caveat with that particular group is that it is administered by MSM "Brand Ambassadors", and their policing of comments other than favourable ones is very rigid. Any comments that criticise the MSM product in any way are

deleted and / or censored. Indeed, this reflects the approach taken by MSM itself on its website. As a paying customer, if you are dissatisfied with the product or the company's service, any negative feedback you leave on their website is deleted. As a paying customer myself, I left negative feedback regarding the suitability of the supplied brackets for the laser and polar scope.....these were taken down!! This group's purpose is for open and transparent discussion relating to the MSM product and its attendant accessories. The product is not perfect, and is continually being re-invented, redesigned, and the accessories such as laser pointers, polar scopes are changing all the time. Customers are essentially guinea pigs, and are part of MSM's development journey. Product inconsistency is an issue. Instruction manuals are poor, and in many cases do not equate to the product you are supplied with. Some may feel this is fine, that being part of the company's R&D cycle is a positive thing. Others will feel that this should be made clear from the outset, before you place your order and spend your money. The complete kit costs the best part of £300, so not an insignificant amount. If you are interested in taking pictures of DSOs, or using long and heavy telephoto lenses with a star tracker, the MSM Rotator is NOT the product for you. If you want to use lenses of 24mm or less, then the MSM with the laser pointer for polar alignment is perfectly adequate, and is an excellent portable and compact solution when compared with beefier star trackers on the market. If you wish to use lenses, say, from 28mm to 135mm (pretty much the limit of the MSMs payload), then you will need the polar scope (the laser pointer is actually illegal in certain countries, such as Switzerland and Australia). The polar scope brings other challenges, and again, these challenges may or may not present themselves to you, depending upon the scope you happened to be supplied with. Here, as with the laser pointer, product inconsistency is the issue. The purpose of the polar scope is to provide a greater degree of accuracy of polar alignment than that provided by the laser. However, the new version of the polar scope (launched at the end of 2020) comes with a generic bracket that does not provide a secure and firm mount for the scope. The fitting actually encourages lateral movement and wobble, and thus undermines the very purpose for which it is designed. I have a cheap solution to this problem, and it is covered in the posts within this Group page. In the interests of full disclosure and transparency, I was banned from the MSM User Group, as I was highlighting product deficiencies and inadequacies as they related to the laser and polar scopes. The "ambassador/moderator/admin" didn't like the negative comments (even though I also published solutions for other users experiencing the very same problems) and blocked me from the group!! This is the reason why I have created this group; to ensure there is an open and honest platform to discuss this product and to share experiences, both good and bad, and to collaborate on potential solutions. I am not expecting thousands of likes and followers, and this is not important. What I am trying to do here is provide a resource of open, honest and transparent reviews of an essentially excellent product, let down by some poorly designed components and accessories.

Waiting for this combination mount to arrive. I am hoping this will resolve the now accepted issues with calibration ass...
17/01/2023

Waiting for this combination mount to arrive. I am hoping this will resolve the now accepted issues with calibration associated with the older, individual mounts. I will keep you posted 🙂

08/01/2023

It's good to see that MSM have finally conceded my point about the ill-fitting mounts for the polar scopes. They have now released a combination mount that accommodates both the laser pointer and polar scope type A. At last!!
This is why you must not trust the MSM FB group, as it is administered by "ambassadors" whose role is to blindly promote products, some of which were just not fit for purpose.
Well done, MSM for listening to users, not their "ambassadors"! 👍

Orion, last night, using the MSM Rotator.Nikon D850, 50mm 1.4 afD
05/01/2022

Orion, last night, using the MSM Rotator.

Nikon D850, 50mm 1.4 afD

A night under the stars on Bodmin Moor, Cornwall, England
16/05/2021

A night under the stars on Bodmin Moor, Cornwall, England

The zipped, padded pouch that comes with the MSM Rotator is great, but when you have an arca-swiss base plate attached t...
29/04/2021

The zipped, padded pouch that comes with the MSM Rotator is great, but when you have an arca-swiss base plate attached to the bottom end of the MSM, the lid of the pouch is quite tight.
If you put anything on top of this pouch when packing your gear bag, it is easy to inadvertently switch the MSM on.
The stated battery life per charge is only 5 hours at best (less than half this time in near zero degree temperatures), so a battery that is already low or drained completely before a shoot will be a cause of considerable frustration.
The tip described here will ensure that frustration never happens to you!! :-)

Orion and Ta**us, featuring Mars - 8th March 2021; 22:20hrsThis is a tracked night sky image, using the MSM Rotator, and...
10/03/2021

Orion and Ta**us, featuring Mars - 8th March 2021; 22:20hrs

This is a tracked night sky image, using the MSM Rotator, and then blended with a 3 minute exposure for the foreground.

Nikon D850, Nikon 24-70mm

Sky: 24mm, f3.5, 60 seconds, ISO 800 using MSM Rotator
F/Grnd: 24mm, f4, 180 seconds, ISO 400

Polar aligned using laser pointer.

The MSM Rotator had no difficulty at all with the 24-70mm lens, as it shouldn't do, as the rig would have been under the 3kgs weight limit. I kept the camera mounted on the MSM for taking the 3 minute shot of the foreground.


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Aldebaran and Hyades, Mars and the Pleiades - 8th March 2021; 21:47hrsNikon D850, Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII at f4.5 for 6...
10/03/2021

Aldebaran and Hyades, Mars and the Pleiades - 8th March 2021; 21:47hrs

Nikon D850, Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VRII at f4.5 for 60 seconds, ISO 800......using the MSM Rotator, aligned using the laser pointer.

It was a race against those clouds, but I won....just!! Clouds obscuring Polaris didn't help, but they parted for a few seconds to allow me to align the laser.

The payload of the camera, l-bracket, lens and ball head was 6lbs and 15oz, so a little over the recommended payload. It seemed to work fine at 70mm, so next time I'll try 200mm. Stability seems to be the challenge, but a different MSM mounting method will help here. Overall, I am very pleased with what a very rushed job achieved. I had intended to try my recently calibrated polar scope, but time was simply not on my side. However, it looks like the laser is fine up to 70mm, looking at these pics. I have laser aligned with a 105mm lens and that also seems to be good. Calibrating the laser is critical if you are after accuracy :-)


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Mounting the Laser PointerCalibrating the most recent model of laser pointer can pose some challenges, due to the inhere...
08/03/2021

Mounting the Laser Pointer

Calibrating the most recent model of laser pointer can pose some challenges, due to the inherent movement and wobble it has when inserted into its bracket.
Here I have used two separate turns of electrical tape to provide two points of wobble-free security. The tape at the head of the unit has the most applied, to raise the circumference of the barrel to that of the bracket, so that the securing screw does not then skew the laser when tightened.
The rear turn of electrical tape is, again, to increase the circumference of the unit's barrel to that of the (now slightly) narrower bracket.
Both of these turns now secure the laser sufficiently to ensure a snug and correct fit, whilst also still allowing rotation for the purposes of calibration.



07/03/2021

Aaaarrrrgh!!!! Clear Outside told me it was clear. Where did that 100% #@!/"*% cloud cover come from?

Cancer (including the Beehive Cluster), Orion, the Winter Circle / Hexagon, Aldebaran and The Pleiades (Ta**us), the Win...
07/03/2021

Cancer (including the Beehive Cluster), Orion, the Winter Circle / Hexagon, Aldebaran and The Pleiades (Ta**us), the Winter Triangle (Betelgeuse, Sirius and Procyon), the "winter Milky Way", Gemini and Auriga above Cleveland Farm from Welsh Road.

By this time, frost was settling on my bags, my camera, my tripod and my nose (the only part of me protruding from several layers of warm clothing). It was about minus 4 degrees, although the absence of wind made this temperature bearable with numerous layers :-)





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If, like me, you were supplied with the scope that doesn't fit securely in the supplied bracket (see other posts below),...
05/03/2021

If, like me, you were supplied with the scope that doesn't fit securely in the supplied bracket (see other posts below), you may also have discovered that the spirit level has not been set correctly. The level is important for polar alignment as you want the line between 12 and 6 o'clock to be perpendicular.
Simply mount the scope on your camera body (ideally using the copper pipe and elastic band method detailed below) to your camera's hot shoe, using the MSM supplied bracket with the hot shoe plate. With the camera on a levelled tripod, check your levels in the camera to make sure it is perfectly level, and aim the camera at the vertical corner of a building (for example). Then, loosen the securing ring of the scope's spirit level using the same allen key used for scope calibration. Looking through the scope, focus on the corner of that building and align the 12 to 6 line with it to make it perpendicular. Carefully move the spirit level's ring until it is level, and then tighten the securing allen bolt. You're ready to go, and should not have to repeat this procedure again 🙂


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05/03/2021

Polar scope calibration problems

Calibrating your polar scope may well prove challenging, but don't worry. It's not you. The supplied scopes from MSM vary in terms of design, fit and materials.

See other posts on here for using the polar scope.

Calibration requires loosening / tightening the 3 allen bolts at 120° intervals around the head of the scope. Assuming you have managed to mount the scope so there is no lateral movement (extremely difficult, depending on which scope you have been supplied with - see other posts below), my recommendation is to loosen all 3 so there is definitely no engagement with the securing ring inside the scope head. Focus the scope on a distant object and rotate the barrel of the scope to assess how "off" the centre of the reticle is. Then adjust the appropriate allen bolt. Keep rotating the scope, making any loosening or tightening adjustments as appropriate. Don't overtighten!!! Depending on the scope, there is either a metal or nylon securing ring inside that holds the reticle. The nylon ring has the tendency to allow the allen bolts to "bite" into it.
See posts below on how to secure the scope in a copper pipe.....if you happen to have the scope that does not fit properly in the supplied bracket.

Feel free to ask me any questions :-)


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